I Cannot Stand These Guys

I Cannot Stand These Guys
I Cannot Stand These Guys

I cannot stand these guys

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5 months ago

That’s it! Where’s my John Constantine Pride comic and cover!? I don’t give a shit that it’s pandering or if it’s just shitty capitalism. I want that piece of shit Brit drawn in the sluttiest little outfit surrounded by bisexual flags with Zatanna on his left and DC Lucifer on his right! I want it to be the dirtiest shit imaginable! Enough to make those conservative bigots lose their minds and claim that it’s devil worship! WHERE IS IT!? >:(

11 months ago
I Made A Gif Of Her Smoothing His Hair Back Because I Cannot Get Over The Way He Looks So Vulnerable

I made a gif of her smoothing his hair back because I cannot get over the way he looks so vulnerable here

10 months ago
A digitally drawn comic about made up lore for the nameless ghouls from the band ghost. The top panel reads “on summoning ghouls, a rite of passage for becoming Papa”. Under the title is a line up of four nameless ghoul masks from the various eras. From left to right the first is faceless and angular, the second is angular with eye holes and a large nose and chin, the third looks like a stereotypical devil with small curved horns and slicked back hair, and the fourth one is a stylized leather gas mask with tubes, horns, large eye lenses, and chin straps.

The second panel is a pair of eyes with black makeup around them, the right eye lighter, behind a book with the alchemical element symbols on it. It reads “it starts with a will and your judgement”.
The second comic page where the top panel is a stone chamber with two summoning circles, one on the floor with alchemical element symbols and the other on the wall being blank, flanked by two stone half-walls that have empty basins and grucifixes on them. The text reads “a specialized chamber is necessary, 1) to avoid interference, 2) to prevent escape”.

On the bottom panel, cardinal copia from the band ghost is standing on the other side of the chamber room looking very nervous and holding the book from the first page. He’s wearing the ministry cardinal robes and grucifix.
The third page where the top panel has an array of a bunch of nameless ghouls drawn as raw elemental demons for the various types (some made up) that in a clockwise starting from the bottom left are fire, light, water, quintessence/mercury, air, electricity/plasma, shade, and earth. The text reads “After all; feral ghouls are raw elements”.

The bottom panel has the fire ghoul from the previous one now lunging towards cardinal copia with rage, a huge fire consuming the room as two prequelle era ghouls behind him are helping him. One is using quintessence mercury and the other is sparking with lightning.
The fourth page that on the top has the alchemical symbols for the various elements with text that reads “each element has a diversity of strengths and rarity, and the first ghoul summoned sets precedent for how a leader is perceived.”

The bottom has a lineup of each of the first summoned ghouls for each papa from 1 to 4 with their respective style of grucifixes. The first papa’s ghoul is a fire type wearing the blank angular mask and cult-like robes swirling with flames. The second is an earth type wearing the angular face mask with cult-like robes surrounded by sharp rocks and floating stones. The third is quintessence or mercury wearing the silver devil-esque mask with suit-like cult robes who has swirling liquid mercury metal sparkling around him. The fourth is an electric/plasma ghoul wearing the apocalyptic gas-mask soldier like uniform, the only one posing holding up the devil mask with the mouth cut out while grinning mischievously. He’s surrounded by arcs of lightning lighting him up.
The fifth page on the top panel reads “freshly coronated & nervous” and has copia now coronated as the fourth papa looking nervously over his shoulder at nameless ghoul swiss behind him wearing the prequelle uniform, holding up papa’s cloak for him as he walks with his hands folded together in the sleeves. Swiss is smiling eagerly with text that reads “being encouraging”. Behind swiss are nameless ghouls sodo and aether drawn small, sodo saying “kiss ass” as aether says “be nice”. The text above them reads “additionally, the first is the personal servant and an important assistant for life”.

The bottom panel has a set of mini drawings, the top showing a mini feral fire ghoul breathing fire and burning cardinal copia to the cartoonish crisp and the bottom showing the mini fire ghoul being held by liquid mercury while be zapped by two prequelle era ghouls helping cardinal copia. Copia on the bottom is grimacing and holding the book towards the fire ghoul’s face. The text reads “often times assistance is needed for future summoning, but a limit of 2 maintains respect to show you’re still capable.
The sixth page top panel has cardinal copia facing the summoning wall from before now, looking nervous and holding the book open with a grucifix rosary hanging off his hand as he gazes at a feral water ghoul leaking out of the now open summoning wall portal. The basins on the half walls have water pouring out of them as well. The text reads “however, they must accept- you must earn their respect, and they only choose if willing.

The bottom panel shows two scenarios with silhouettes of cardinal copia with the summoning wall, the left showing the feral ghoul leaving closing the portal that is dripping leftover water and smoking as he reaches towards it with dismay. The right shows the water ghoul lunging forward with a torrential flood of water wrapping copia, who holds his arms out in horror as he yells. The text reads “and they are not always willing”.
The seventh page on top has a line up of the papas as younger cardinals being prepared for their ghoul summoning trials, in order of first to fourth from left to right. In order it shows young primo with younger nihil by his shoulder, looking proud at a confused and wary cardinal primo holding the summoning book. Young secondo has the book open now looking confused as the now papa primo glares at nihil over secondo’s shoulders, nihil giving a questioning look. Young terzo is hunched over with rage, clenching his teeth in a scowl as he lets the summoning book fall open and crumples a page in his tense hands; secondo by his shoulder is holding his cardinal hat looking apologetic as behind them primo watches nihil walking away with his back turned. Finally, young copia is standing with the book held to his chest with fear as he’s comforted by a proud looking sister imperator. The text under them all reads “one must be prepared to face hell itself”.

The bottom panel shows two hands hovering over a glowing white orb that reads “to prove one is worthy to take the stage, controlling the Devil’s magic is key.
The eighth page’s top panel has the summoning book fluttering open with the alchemical element symbols arching over it, the text on top reading “it’s important to roll the dice and summon a variety” with the other text also arching over the book reading “but one may only tame as many as the power of their sin allows”.

The bottom panel shows the papas all lined up one to four from left to right. Primo is looking away with a leaf blowing by him with a scowl as both secondo and terzo are side-eyeing copia, secondo sweating with concern while terzo glares in disbelief at copia who is whistling nervously with his arms behind his back looking away. The text reads “which, naturally, varies” showing the number of ghouls each papa summoned from left to right being 5 for the previous 3 and 8 for copia. Next to copia is mini heads of all his ghouls.
The ninth page with only one panel now shows a highly rendered ghoul from terzo’s era with the silver devil mask holding up a syringe in reference to the ghost band chapters, the syringe’s tip gleaming menacingly. Behind him, copia’s ghouls rain and sodo are looming with menacing shadowed faces as well. The text reads “and while loyal as determined by one’s rank… Remember: the ministry comes first.”
The tenth page now a bonus to the original comic is titled “ghoul records broken by copia” that has swirling filigree with the prequelle and impera nameless ghoul masks sitting under it. The prequelle mask is the silver devil mask with the mouth cut out while the impera mask is the leather gas-mask.
The eleventh page top panel reads “Record: most ghouls summoned at one time: 8, 10 including past members”. Copia as papa and his ghouls are drawn in a cute mini form, papa in the center looking tired but content despite it. On the left clockwise from the top left are cirrus running forward happily, cumulus waving her cape grinning mincingly, swiss posing with hands up and beaming a smile, and aurora also waving her cape as she sways with a happy smile. On the right from top left clockwise, mountain is waving his arms to both sides with a small smile, phantom is posing with a hand on his hip kicking one leg out with his other arm, ran is posed with legs stanced and hands on his hips looking sleepy, and sodo is kicking a leg up raising his fist on the opposite side looking feisty.

The bottom panel reads “record: most obedient first summon for an amateur”. Cardinal copia is hunched holding the summoning book, quivering in fear saying a shaky “h-hello?” as he points a timid finger at swiss in a prequelle ghoul uniform. Swiss has a nice suit on with the open devil mask, grinning and whistling confidently as his thought bubble reads “he’s so pathetic, I have to see how this turns out”. Behind him is his feral form shown with a huge smile made of electricity pointing with an arrow to show he transformed.
The twelfth page top panel reads “Record: most powerful summons, 2 s-class ghouls”. The top left has feral sodo as a dark silhouette with a pointy jack-o-lantern like smile beaming eerily as flames surround and pour off him, including dripping from his mouth. The alchemical symbol for fire is on his forehead. The text around him reads “all consuming hell fire, AKA “sodo” or “dew”. On the right feral cumulus ghoulette is holding her hands forward, made of a swirling storm cloud with more swirling cloud coming out of her palms as her whole body is rotating like a storm; her mouth is opened in a devious smile that is connected in some places top to bottom. The alchemical symbol for air is on her chest, and the text around her reads “Hurricane from Hades, AKA “cumulus”.

The bottom panel reads “Record: most elemental offshoots summoned, 3”. From left to right are nameless ghouls swiss, aurora, and sunshine that in order have elemental symbols for lightning and light. Swiss is waving a hand with a big smile as the other ghouls stand politely smiling as well. Under them text reads “offshoots of” and in order under each are the alchemical symbols for quintessence and fire.
The thirteenth extra for the original comic is titled “ghoul roles” and has a line up from left to right of the first nameless ghouls for each papa in various roles. This includes primo’s ghoul running with books and paper, secondo’s ghoul lurching with rocks around him looking ready to fight, terzo’s ghoul walking confidently with his arms folded and whistling, and finally copia’s ghoul smiling and carrying a mic with it’s wire dragging behind him as he trots along.
The fourteenth page top panel is labeled “assistance” and shows a scene of papa primo sitting at a desk covered in official papers and various items like flowers, a quill, photo frame, lamp and mug that reads “he was #1”. Primo is turning to the left receiving a stack of books and paper saying “grazie” to his nameless ghoul that is bowing slightly in respect. The wall behind them has curtains with a large grucifix.

The bottom panel is labeled “fighting” and has a scene with secondo and his ghoul fighting against an abstracted angel. Secondo in the back is waving his staff glowing with power as his eye also trails energy, his ghoul in front throwing up a defensive rock wall to block the angel’s energy blast. He’s in a fighting defensive stance surrounded by his rocks. The angel is diamond-shaped with floating feathers, wings, rib-like features, and geometric pieces.
The fifteenth and final page top panel is labeled “personal guard” and shows a scene of nameless ghoul omega looming protectively between terzo and two others. Terzo has his back turned to them, but is looking over his shoulder with a hand on his hip smiling earnestly in appreciation. Omega has his arms folded, and is glaring down on the two labelled “unassigned ministry trainee ghouls”. The text next to them reads “they wear a simplified uniform of the era in charge, which changes until assigned”. The two are wearing simplified versions of the Meliora ghoul uniform with the silver devil mask flatter and rounded out to look simpler and less defining. The one in front has their hands together in nervous fear as the other hides behind them also sweating in fear.

The bottom final panel labelled “and of course: performance” has a scene of papa copia playing on stage with the whole band putting on a show under various spot lights. Copia is holding a mic and pointing dramatically into the air as swiss on his left leans back also posing dramatically singing loudly with a standing mic grasped in hand. To the right is sodo leaning back with his guitar, phantom and rain both playing behind him. In the back from left to right are cirrus on her keyboard, cumulus singing with a keyboard, aurora dancing with her cape and a mic, and mountain on the drums.
a disclaimer that reads ‘please don’t use or repost somewhere else’.

Remember how I said I couldn't stop thinking about Ghouls? yeah LOL. Anyways, I finally finished my "Ghoul Guide" which is a comic featuring made up lore about summoning nameless ghouls as well as things about them and their roles!

this by no means is comprehensive of everything I've made up for them, but I'm testing the waters with this comic! if it gets enough love I'll make an additional comic about ghoul origins, element types, and maybe even design non-assigned ghoul outfits for each era costume hehe.

ID in ALT text! transcript for comic text under the cut!

Transcript is numbered for each page the text is for!

A rite of passage for becoming “Papa”, It starts with a will and your judgement

A specialized chamber is necessary, 1) to avoid interference 2) to prevent escape.

After all; feral ghouls are raw elements, And to survive, one must tame them.

Each element has a diversity of strengths and rarity / and the first ghoul summoned sets precedent for how a leader is perceived.

Additionally, the first is the personal servant and an important assistant for life; Often times assistance is needed for future summoning, but a limit of 2 maintains respect to show you’re still capable.

However, they must accept you- you must earn their respect, and they only choose if willing. And they are not always willing.

One must be prepared to face Hell itself. To prove one is worthy to take the stage, controlling the devil’s magic is key.

It’s important to roll the dice and summon a variety, but one may only tame as many as the power of their sin allows, which, naturally, varies.

And while they’re loyal as determined by one’s rank… / Remember: The ministry comes first.

Ghoul records broken by copia.

Record: Most ghouls summoned at one time: 8 (10 including past members), Record: Most obedient first summon (for an amateur).

Record: Most powerful summons (2 S-Class ghouls); All consuming Hell Fire (AKA: “Sodo” or “Dew”); Hurricane From Hades (AKA: “Cumulus”); Record: Most elemental offshoots summoned (3). Offshoots of (then lists the symbols for quintessence and fire).

ghoul roles.

Assistance, Fighting.

Personal Guard, And of course: Performing.

end transcript.

1 year ago
Some Old Ghost Sh…staff 2/2
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Some old ghost sh…staff 2/2

8 months ago

for all the artists out there, here are my favorite resources i use to learn!

Files

The Complete Famous Artist Course

Art Books and Resources

Art, Anatomy, and Color Books

PDF Files of Art Books

Internet Archive

YouTube

My YouTube Playlist of Tutorials

How to Draw Facial Features

Drawing and Art Advice

Drawing Lessons

Art Fundamentals

Anatomy of the Human Body

2D Animation

Perspective Drawing

Websites

Pinterest Board for Poses

Another Pinterest Board for Poses

Pinterest Boards for References

Reference Angle

Figurosity

Sketch Daily

Line of Action

Human Anatomy

Animal Photo References

Humanae - Angélica Dass

Fine Art - Jimmy Nelson

Character Design References

CDR's Twitter Account

iamagco's Twitter Account

taco1704's Twitter Account

takuya_kakikata's Twitter Account

EtheringtonBro's Twitter Account

Drawabox

Color Wheel

Color Palette Cinema

Free Images and Pictures

Free Stock Photos

FILMGRAB

Screen Musings

William Nguyen Light Reference Tool

SketchFab - 3D Skeleton Model

Animation References - sakugabooru

Animation References - Bodies in Motion

1 year ago
I Will Never Forget Your Eyes…

I will never forget your eyes…

I Will Never Forget Your Eyes…

Never…

1 month ago

A very nice psychoanalysis and personality analysis, it reflects the character very well, I loved it

— BASICS: JOHN CONSTANTINE.

— BASICS: JOHN CONSTANTINE.

▸ IS YOUR MUSE TALL / SHORT / AVERAGE?    slightly taller than the average at 6'0" even, but he tends to slouch and lounge a lot so he often looks shorter when standing, taller when sitting.

▸ ARE THEY OKAY WITH THEIR HEIGHT? yeah, mostly. considering hell seems to have something in the weetabix making every demon fucking massive, he wouldn't mind an extra couple of inches so he's not always being intimidating at chin-level, but he's pretty confident in his appearance and doesn't care much for something he can't change.

▸ WHAT’S THEIR HAIR LIKE? soft, curly, natural blond with light grey (which will eventually be white) coming in around the temples & part. usually just long enough to droop into his eyes when left un-gelled.

▸ DO THEY SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THEIR HAIR / GROOMING?    depends on his mental health, but usually yes. he's got hair masks, a bunch of different pomades & mousse, and he often shaves his chest & plucks nose hairs. he's got a multi-step skincare routine, is not averse to putting on makeup, and tends to experiment with different colognes in combination with whatever scented products he puts in his hair. in a low period, it's all charcoal soap + 3-in-1 shampoo-conditioner, slap some water on his face and go, but on average he spends a decent bit of time on upkeep.

▸ DOES YOUR MUSE CARE ABOUT THEIR APPEARANCE / WHAT OTHERS THINK? not much personally these days, and not so much cares. it's more that he's aware of how his looks can make an impression under specific sets of circumstances (be it a good or bad impression), and hyperaware that with his current reputation, he might need to make a fairly big impression at any given time. it's usually important to his survival that others perceive him the way he wants them to and he knows that all too well, but at a personal level, he couldn't give less of a shit whether someone side-eyes him on the street as a fop or he's dressed down for dressed-up company.

— PREFERENCES.

▸ INDOORS OR OUTDOORS? bit of a toss-up, but indoors. he often feels too exposed if he's outside for too long.

▸ RAIN OR SUNSHINE? he doesn't particularly mind either, but finds that rain is usually thematically reflective of his mood.

▸ FOREST OR BEACH? the beach. he doesn't swim, or like sand, but it has good memories for him.

▸ PRECIOUS METALS OR GEMS? precious metals, they have utility; they can be shaped to serve a purpose, and signify things like love and commitment. he's seen people do some truly heinous shit for gems that'll just sit in a vault or on a shelf somewhere later, doing fuckall; he can't bring himself to value them the same way.

▸ FLOWERS OR PERFUMES? perfumes. smelling them involves fewer bugs, and often nicer circumstances.

▸ PERSONALITY OR APPEARANCE? personality. you can dress up a shit in armani all you like, it still won't stink any less.

▸ BEING ALONE OR BEING IN A CROWD? being in a crowd. he loves people, most of the time; loves to brush up against the edges of their normal lives.

▸ ORDER OR ANARCHY? a measure of both, ideally, but order's not worth shit if it comes at the cost of personal freedoms. anarchy, on the other hand, is usually pretty fun.

▸ PAINFUL TRUTHS OR WHITE LIES? immensely circumstantial. but there's no point in ignoring a painful truth when it's right there in front of your face, or in refusing to deliver it when it's right there in your hands, and denial starts to piss him off past a certain point.

▸ SCIENCE OR MAGIC? is he a joke to you?

▸ PEACE OR CONFLICT? peace, all the way, every time. he wants peace for himself so badly. but as he says about conflict & violence, "you can't pretend it isn't happening, right?" similar to hard truths, if fists are about to start flying then there's no point playing pacifist and hoping no one hits you; and if someone needs a good telling-off, regardless of the delicacy of the environment, then he's more than happy to shake that tree.

▸ NIGHT OR DAY? night, when he has space to think. besides, no one's going to stop to question a guy in a trenchcoat wandering the streets in the dark.

▸ DUSK OR DAWN? dusk, right when the pubs start picking up with life and laughter and the stars are starting to come out.

▸ WARMTH OR COLD?   warmth. he always thinks of jacko and people like him when it's cold.

▸ MANY ACQUAINTANCES OR A FEW CLOSE FRIENDS? he doesn't mind either, so long as he has company, but his life is at its best when he's got a few close friends to hang around who truly know him.

▸ READING OR PLAYING A GAME? reading. he devours books like a termite.

— QUESTIONNAIRE.

▸ WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR MUSE’S BAD HABITS?    smoking incessantly is always the first one that comes to mind; running his mouth regardless of whether he can back it up if things escalate is another. abruptly running out on people without telling them why is a big one, especially when there's emotional conflict involved. he's terrible at apologizing in a way that sounds as sincere as it's meant, because he shies away from the vulnerability of admitting he was wrong and ends up sounding breezy or dismissive instead. he tends to read people's mail if he thinks the packaging "looks interesting". he treats his body like a punching bag and it never occurs to him how often he might get his friends in trouble because they (shockingly) care enough about him to want to defend him.

▸ HAS YOUR MUSE LOST ANYONE CLOSE TO THEM? HOW HAS IT AFFECTED THEM?   so many people. his dad's death and his sister's death especially fucked with him, because he feels that both were directly (or indirectly if he's feeling generous with himself) his fault. his dad's death led to him killing a man, which has haunted him ever since; his sister's death led to his estrangement from his niece because 1) she blamed him and 2) he ran off and avoided her + the funeral arrangements when she needed him around most, which he'll always regret. the latter also really, indelibly soured his outlook on life + magic + himself.

his friend header's death is another significant one: it's the one that convinced him to try to go things alone whenever possible instead of asking for help when he needs it, because he'd asked header for help and that's what got him killed; it also heralded the deaths of most of his friend group at the time, which only cemented his resolution to try and keep his friends as uninvolved in his problems as possible.

▸ WHAT ARE SOME FOND MEMORIES YOUR MUSE HAS?    going to the beach with his dad & sister as a kid, the wild days of touring with mucous membrane, staying with brendan & kit in ireland after ravenscar, his 40th birthday party, sitting with dani & their friends watching rich the punk attach skis to the roof of a van, catching up with chas after a long time apart, pissing off the roof of ravenscar after winning ownership just to let it rot.

▸ IS IT EASY FOR YOUR MUSE TO KILL? no. never. he's killed one person in his whole life (at least directly, with his own two hands), and it has haunted him ever since. even the idea of leading someone to their unavoidable death (like he did with gary lester) makes him sick at heart; although he's found peace with the idea of leading someone into a position where their own actions will inevitably get them killed, because most of the people he does that to are assholes who could choose to make a different decision at any time.

▸ WHAT’S IT LIKE WHEN YOUR MUSE BREAKS DOWN?    tsunami: an ominous retreat from emotion followed by a roaring tidal wave of self-destructive behavior, alcohol, and engaging with his hallucinations that makes it suddenly and abruptly clear to anyone who's only ever seen the put-together occultist or the insouciant con man that this guy is always wearing some mask or other, because this new person before them is not fucking alright and hasn't been in decades. it's a mess, and it's ugly, and it leaves a lot of debris in its wake. he knows this, and he tries his best to break down anonymously / in secret when he can: pushes people away or gets them pissed at him enough to leave on their own, then either finds some open-late haunt to terrorize that has a high enough tolerance to let him drink for a while and aggressive enough bouncers to throw him out when they're sick of it, or seeks out strangers who will fight him / fuck him into realizing it was a bad idea.

on the other hand, if someone he knows and trusts sticks it out through every attempt to scare them off, then he will have no recourse but to crumple and sob like a little kid in front of them, and that can be just as terrifying as — if not more so than — the anger issues and bad decisions.

▸ IS YOUR MUSE CAPABLE OF TRUSTING SOMEONE WITH THEIR LIFE?    capable, yes, ostensibly. does he? rarely. it's more common for him to trust someone not to fuck him over as an accomplice while he's gambling with his own life, than for him to place the whole of it completely in their hands. it's more often that he's surprised when the people he trusted enough to keep informed choose to back him up when he needs it most.

▸ WHAT’S YOUR MUSE LIKE WHEN THEY’RE IN LOVE?  sentimental, silly, soft. cleans up his act and appearance, gets more careful, socializes more, finds hope in the little things. optimistic. tries harder to live. smiles and laughs without a trace of bitterness behind it. replaces every pain-soaked, value-defining cornerstone of his life with pictures of them. comes in soaked from the rain because he saw some flowers they liked & stopped to pick them / realized he was passing their favorite restaurant & doubled back to pick up food / got lost in thought & ended up walking to the place where they met. stresses about being good enough for them. forgets their birthday, then scrambles to make up for it. rewires every pathway in his life to revolve around them.

he's not always healthy about it, he's not always good at it, but he loves with every fiber of his being and basks in the warm glow of having a future that isn't quite so lonely, even as he waits with bated breath and eyes shut tight for it all to come crashing down.

1 year ago
We’re So Back
We’re So Back
We’re So Back
We’re So Back

we’re so back

Ritual #08-11

6 months ago

He's probably doing it for copia's own good tho. That man likely to crash the walls of Ministry and hurt himself

Nihil When Copia Does Something Annoying

Nihil when copia does something annoying

8 months ago

"Smoochs all of them especially terzo"

My HCs on How the Papas Feel About Their Looks:

Primo presents himself as not giving a fuck about something as asinine and tedious as to whether or not he’s good-looking. It’s unimportant and stupid. Internally, though, he thinks he’s quite good-looking even now.

Secondo is aware that he is good-looking and isn’t above using it to his advantage with a willing party. He also knows he’s a bit of an acquired taste and takes no offense to that. It just means he’s gotta work just a tiiiny bit harder to get the one he has his eye on to openly swoon over him:

Terzo is aware others think he’s good-looking, and is willing to play around with it. However, he doesn’t actively see himself as particularly handsome. Not anymore, at least. He probably thought better of himself in his youth when he was still “new and full of hope (and cream pies)”, but that has since dwindled until he hated to think about himself. I think on average, he knows he isn’t necessarily ugly but doesn’t think he’s that far above average. But he’ll willingly present himself as completely confident in his looks and try to fulfill the image expected of a handsome man.

Copia is similar to Terzo in that doesn’t think he’s good-looking but will play along as such. But I think they differ in why they do so. Terzo’s is more akin to just sighing and going along with it — might as well, he’s already become begrudgingly used to playing along for the sake of others. Copia’s is born more from growing up lonely and ridiculed and associating that with something about him being wrong or unpleasant. That, and we know he apparently has some specific ideas of what a Papa should look like. He’s pretty positive the only reason anyone is “attracted” to him now is because of his power and the charisma he must exert while performing. Otherwise, he only has sparse moments when he thinks highly of his looks. But I think he’s learning to become okay with himself.

Conclusion: Smooch these stupid old men🫵🏽

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